12 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – July 5 2020”

  1. UGH!!! I can’t stands no More! WHY is this creep still in office????

    During his remarks Saturday at the White House Independence Day event, Trump claimed without evidence that 99% of coronavirus cases “are totally harmless.”

  2. Back in the middle of April, I read there were 70 vaccines in some phase of development. I think more recently I heard that number was over 100. Of course a lot of this could be in very early pre-trial stages, meaning pre-clinical.

    There are Phases 0, I, II, III & IV. Some of these the FDA has agreed to collapse to speed development. There are scientists who are not happy about this “speed-to-market” stuff.

  3. Food for thought. Something I’ve believed all along. The chances of reopening and not having to shut down again are slim. And rather than taking now to build a robust online learning system, that simply puts schools right back Into the business of “building the plane while flying it.” Also, the question as to why teachers were not better represented on the planning team was asked at the Baker presser. Why indeed?

    I absolutely know some kids do better in school. But will they do better in the only option schools have available? Many of those questions are listed here.

    I just listened to Randi Weingarten, president, association of federation of teachers. She would like to see schools open in some form but said they need a minimum of 20 percent more and not fewer teachers to make this happen.

    https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/we-need-to-focus-on-robust-remote-learning-instead-of-re-opening-31e9519e4667

    1. I have wondered about this Vicki. Thanks for posting.

      I believe there is room for creativity. Say more teachers but shorter hours for physical attendance with school days ending right after lunch. Then online learning at school or at home. Yes there are lots of combinations and permutations when it comes to options, but it’s an opportunity to try new things. I hope.

  4. There are hundreds of treatments and vaccines in the pipeline, which is a very good thing. Most are in the early phases of development, but some are entering Phase III, the final and longest phase of clinical trial development. Many treatments are repurposed agents. Some will ultimately be used for other viruses. I predict we’re going to have increasingly successful treatments (we already do to some extent) before an efficacious vaccine.

    Trump’s remarks were careless, to say the least. He thinks in a binary way, and he’s not alone in this: Death versus no death. The death rate (case fatality rate) is falling sharply (now at 4.3%), and numbers of daily deaths have plummeted from their April peak. This is good news. However, we’re still seeing around 600 deaths a day. Don’t be fooled by this weekend’s low numbers, as the backfill on Tuesday and Wednesday will push us close to or over 1,000 deaths each day. In the case of Covid-19, perhaps when all is said and done 1% who get it die, and 99% do not die. That’s a lot, but it’s certainly not the plague, and it’s not Ebola. And, many people – some say over 50% – exhibit no or minimal symptoms. But, of course, no policymaker or politician should only be looking at the deaths number, for any disease. Death is the worst outcome, and we’ve had over 132,000 in this country. But, other important indicators include morbidity of the tens of thousands who are long haulers (have `mild’ symptoms and don’t get hospitalized, but wind up sick for months), the hundreds of thousands who get hospitalized and survive, hospitalizations themselves (have risen by 35% nationally in recent weeks), and healthcare system capacities.

    I’ve analyzed Florida data since day one of this pandemic, and something fishy is going on. The average number of pneumonia deaths in Florida for the period March through June is 918. This year, 5,856 have died of pneumonia. My guess is the governor didn’t want (still doesn’t want) the world to know how many Covid-19 deaths have occurred.

  5. 36 min ago
    Coronavirus can float in air, and experts say WHO and CDC should tell people that
    From CNN’s Maggie Fox

    Coronavirus can float in air droplets and is likely transmitting that way, a group of experts plans to say in a commentary Monday.

    They are publishing an open letter to the World Health Organization (WHO) and other health agencies, asking them to be more forthright in explaining how the virus can transmit in the air.

    It’s not a secret, but agencies seem to be afraid to talk about the airborne nature of the virus, said Donald Milton, a professor of environmental health at the University of Maryland who studies how viruses are transmitted.

    The airborne transmission word seems to be loaded,” Milton, one of two main authors of the letter, told CNN on Sunday. “I guess we are hoping that WHO will come around and be more willing to acknowledge the important roles of aerosols, whether they want to call it airborne transmission or not.”
    Milton studies the airborne transmission of viruses. The other main author, Lidia Morawska, is a professor of environmental engineering and an expert in aerosol science at the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia. Milton said they and a group of other, similar experts have been discussing the potential airborne transmission of coronavirus since February.

    The letter, signed by 239 scientists from around the world, is scheduled to be published Monday in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

    1. Yes – I’ve been puzzled about the reopening of any indoor venues because I thought I had read at some point that it is airborne and can be spread indoors and that the time of exposure that leads to infection indoors was only 15 min without a mask, 30 min with a mask. I seem to recall this was based on a study of coworkers in office suites

      No idea where I read this but it stuck. And if true it means we should definitely not be reopening gyms, movie theaters etc. Hopefully they’ll back step if the numbers go up.

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