19 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – March 28 2021”

  1. 23 hours post 2nd Moderna dose. Really sore arm, but no other noticeable side effects…perhaps it was the 4 glasses of wine at Zoom Seder…

  2. Happy Passover to you Dave and Joshua!

    Israel has vaccinated 75% of its adults and leads the world in immunizations. Unlike the U.S. they have a central vaccine distribution channel. All the vaccinations come through Ben Gurion Airport, and from there a central warehouse distributed to all hospitals and clinics.

    Has MA, or “any” state for that matter even vaccinated 25% of its residents so far? I would be curious. Hopefully there will be no April Fools joke for me come Thursday. Yes, I am definitely scheduled, but…too good to be true that I was able to get an appointment so easily.

    1. Having spent a lot of time in Israel over the years including a couple of multi-month stretches I can say that their are aspects of society that are highly inefficient, but crisis response is always streamlined and impressive

  3. Agree with Dave.

    I also think that at the state level in the U.S., especially smaller states, we could have done as well as Israel but made the `choice’ not to. I think our vaccination rate is quite good, but it could have been even better. We failed to plan in 2020 for an efficient distribution plan. As a result, we vaccinate rather inefficiently. We definitely vaccinate a lot of people, but it’s a rather inefficient, chaotic process.

    The world is turning in the wrong direction, and I’m now concerned. See link below. Something is up. This virus is a stubborn, recalcitrant nuisance that just won’t go away. I do think that we’re contributing to this by not mitigating. The U.S. has essentially ignored mitigation since Biden’s inauguration. I know it has nothing to do with Biden per se, but his messaging has fallen on deaf ears. Ever since late January states have been opening up – sometime at full throttle – and as a result we never got the infections down to a minimal level. It’s very hard to vaccinate your way out of a pandemic effectively without mitigation. I think the U.K. has probably done the best of all countries: Maintaining very strict mitigation while vaccinating.

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1376181289104011269/photo/1

    1. As you know, being a worrier, I’ve been concerned for several weeks. I agree that Biden is being proactive. I still believe he is sending the wrong message with schools which does spread through the community. But the last president continues to play a part. And there are very deliberate steps by some states to show Biden he isn’t the boss of them.

      1. I’m worried, too. Cautiously optimistic, but also a bit stunned at what I’m seeing globally right now. This includes places with decent vaccination rates.

  4. Joshua, compared to the rest of world, what is the U.S. vaccination rate as a whole? Is it even at 25%?

    I just hope these vaccines will prevent the spread of the different variants. A new one (Brazil?) has turned up somewhere on the Cape recently.

    1. Among the adult population we’re at 15% fully vaccinated and more than 35% partially vaccinated. Quite good. We compare favorably to many other peer nations. Not as good as the UK, Israel, and a few other countries. But, better than France, Canada, Germany, Spain, etc …

      And yes, P.1 variant is on the Cape and other places. It’s a variant of considerable concern, given that it is somewhat vaccine-evasive, more transmissible, impacts a younger population, and can reinfect previously infected people.

  5. Joshua, I looked up the various definitions of “mitigation” but what does it mean in a pandemic?

    1. Mitigation includes any number of what we now collectively call social distance guidelines: So, masks are one. But keeping our distance from others outside our household is another. Crowd limits, another. Gathering size restrictions, travel limits, etc … They’re all imperfect measures. But, they do mitigate spread. The most draconian measures can essentially eliminate a virus. But, such measures are unacceptable in democracies. These would include stay-at-home orders which really confine people to their homes at all times. Wuhan and the entire Hubei province did this for 10 weeks, as well as several other metropolitan areas in China. It was effective. After all, if you can’t go outside at all or interact with others, the virus can’t find hosts. But, almost no other nation had such a draconian lockdown.

      1. Strikes me as sad that we cannot undertake the proven measures that are proven to have worked. I have not looked at areas you mention to see how the economy is doing. Will have to do that

        CNN has a special event tonight with an interview with trump’s health care team of folks. I’m wondering how open they will be. The few times I have heard her, Dr Birx has been politely honest.

        1. Dr. Birx is brutally honest now. Too bad she wasn’t before. But, people have to remind themselves that Trump is a brute, an autocrat, not an easy person to work for or with. He fires at the hint of any dissent. Birx, Fauci, and others felt obligated to be voices of reason on public health who steered clear of direct criticism of the President for fear of getting axed. Birx is also someone who respects the office of the presidency. She’s also accustomed to working in the armed forces, where respecting authority means a lot and is expected/required.

          1. I agree with you. It was better they humor him while doing what they knew was right behind the scenes. He is too self absorbed to have known that.

            And she is honest. But what I’ve seen she does it with grace. I’ll see more tonight

  6. Vicki, the Cape and several communities near the Cape have the highest test positivity right now in the state; close to 9% in a few Barnstable locales. Not good.

    1. I knew about the positivity rate but not which variant. Chilling. We have April vacation in two weeks. I pray baker comes to his senses

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