Thank you. I watched some. I will watch the rest because, as you know, I’m concerned with myocarditis and pericarditis…especially in younger folks. One comment that hit me as truth is when he said ….when there is a risk, there should be a choice. I’ve been trying to say that for a while, although I have not said it anywhere as clearly as that one sentence does.
I absolutely know some chose not to be vaccinated for political reasons. But I also absolutely know that some choose not to vaccinate for risk reasons. We have a serious problem in that we don’t seem to have the ability to stop grouping all as one. By we I do not mean anyone on this blog. I simply mean as a people we have a strong tendency to do this.
After seeing this, I have to allow for some who choose not to
be vaccinated.
We were really torn whether or not to get Mrs. OS vaccinated. In the end, she chose to do so, rather than stay in the house for the rest of her life, which will now probably happen anyway.
Very Sad …your last sentence
I know I had decided to wait a bit when the vaccines came out but was sure even then I’d get one. It is the kids I am worried about. Other countries are addressing the risk. As we seem to have done throughout in this country, we muddle on until it hits us smack in the face.
Lack of confidence at a crucial time such as this is a bi*ch.
Not sure what we will do about her booster as she appears to be suffering as the man in the above video. She has not been right since the 2nd dose.
I just watched the video. What has Mrs OS’s doctor said. That is really scary. What upsets me most is that as great as our doctors are….and we do have the best….more than I’d like tend to think one size fits all. Everyone is different and reacts differently and needs to be treated individually.
He sounds like he has long COVID or some other post-viral syndrome. Plus whatever damage the Ivermectin did…
Joshua, maybe I should know this, but do not recall hearing it. The discussion was about the reason parents are not getting kids vaccinated. The basic thought was that parents were told originally kids were not susceptible. I am sure that is part of it, but I disagree it is the whole. I think parents are understandably nervous about the vaccine doe kids.
This was one comment. Is this accurate?……..
“As explained to me early in 2020, children have few(er) ACE receptors, which the alpha COVID strain needed to infect folks, thus kids were at less risk than adults. Then came delta, 1000x more infectious: low risk became high risk. The science changed.”
I must say I am NOT in favor of mass vaccinations for the 5-11 year old group. AND, I’m reluctant to go along with mandates to vaccinate the 12-17 year old group. I do understand parents’ concerns.
As always, there is a risk-benefit calculus. Children are susceptible to Covid-19 and can be impacted severely, though it is comparatively rare. At the same time, there do appear to be several known heart issues related to vaccines in children. These severe side effects are also quite rare. But still, one must weigh the risks and benefits.
Rather than vaccinate children en masse, I wish the nation would focus its efforts – redouble them – to get the adult (>18) population vaccinated and boosted where necessary. I just read a disheartening piece on the lackluster efforts of the Biden Administration to pursue a hands-on approach to promote vaccines in states with lots of hesitancy. Evidently, the Administration felt it would backfire. Well, maybe. But, you gotta try, work harder at it, go door to door as you said you would (and aren’t doing, apparently!).
AS long as this vaccine hesitancy persists, we are doomed.
In the Netherlands, the cabinet is meeting today to discuss reintroducing restrictions. These would include indoor mask mandates, distancing (1.5 meter rule), and crowd (capacity) limits in indoor spaces, including restaurants, bars, and concert venues.
The conservative-led Dutch government is doing so in response to a nationwide doubling of cases and hospitalizations in one week, which the health minister said was “much earlier than expected.” Hospital directors and healthcare provider organizations had been urging the government to act, as early as 10 days ago, when it was becoming clear that “too much ICU capacity is being taken up by Covid patients.” About 20% of ICU beds are currently occupied by Covid patients. This means delays in treatment for non Covid patients, lots of moving around of patients from one place to another, and excess burden on staff.
Similar measures are expected to be reintroduced – or simply added to existing rules – across much of Western Europe.
Parts of Eastern Europe are in strict lockdown. The situation there is much more critical.
It’s still unclear if and when the UK government will respond to the surge across most of Britain.
Here is a story about the chaos COVID is causing in schools in England. Half term is the two week school vacation at the end of October, and year groups are grades.
If we are to live with COVID forever, should children have the opportunity to live in our world without being at risk of this illness?
And how does the risk of myocarditis or pericarditis compare with something we do without thinking – such as driving?
Hmmm
Lack of clear advice. Sounds familiar.
These are the numbers in school this year to date. The disclaimer is that they are the numbers reported to DESE. I know the numbers were lowered last year so perhaps this is a way for DESE to cover itself. There are around 2000 kids each week and around 300+ staff. These total over 11,000 students and 1,862 staff in six weeks. This of course doesn’t include those that these individuals infected.
Your question is very valid, but maybe a bit early?? Scary as it is, we are at the very beginning. Kids especially have only been at higher risk for a few months. The disruption in England was predictable. Just as it was overall when it came to full in-school. All anyone has to do was read my thousands of frustrated posts 🙂 🙂
The concern was remote’s impact on kids and also not disrupting their education. I honestly don’t think I need to say that both of those ships predictably sailed before leaving port.
Before we mandate anything for kids, we have to know what the risks are. We have no clue; nor, as other countries are doing, are we attempting to find out.
Joshua, are these big pharms working on COVID-19 vaccines that can last a lifetime or at least close to it like MMR, rubella, polio etc.?
We really can’t expect the entire population to keep getting boosters “every 6 months” for the rest of our lives. Those like Mrs. JPD have enough medical issues with basic two shots.
Great question. My guess is the nature of the disease is different and won’t allow for long duration shots. But, I’m really not qualified to answer.
Thanks TK!
Here is an interesting video on vaccine issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7inaTiDKaU
This is scary. Rare, but scary.
Thank you. I watched some. I will watch the rest because, as you know, I’m concerned with myocarditis and pericarditis…especially in younger folks. One comment that hit me as truth is when he said ….when there is a risk, there should be a choice. I’ve been trying to say that for a while, although I have not said it anywhere as clearly as that one sentence does.
I absolutely know some chose not to be vaccinated for political reasons. But I also absolutely know that some choose not to vaccinate for risk reasons. We have a serious problem in that we don’t seem to have the ability to stop grouping all as one. By we I do not mean anyone on this blog. I simply mean as a people we have a strong tendency to do this.
After seeing this, I have to allow for some who choose not to
be vaccinated.
We were really torn whether or not to get Mrs. OS vaccinated. In the end, she chose to do so, rather than stay in the house for the rest of her life, which will now probably happen anyway.
Very Sad …your last sentence
I know I had decided to wait a bit when the vaccines came out but was sure even then I’d get one. It is the kids I am worried about. Other countries are addressing the risk. As we seem to have done throughout in this country, we muddle on until it hits us smack in the face.
Lack of confidence at a crucial time such as this is a bi*ch.
Not sure what we will do about her booster as she appears to be suffering as the man in the above video. She has not been right since the 2nd dose.
I just watched the video. What has Mrs OS’s doctor said. That is really scary. What upsets me most is that as great as our doctors are….and we do have the best….more than I’d like tend to think one size fits all. Everyone is different and reacts differently and needs to be treated individually.
He sounds like he has long COVID or some other post-viral syndrome. Plus whatever damage the Ivermectin did…
Joshua, maybe I should know this, but do not recall hearing it. The discussion was about the reason parents are not getting kids vaccinated. The basic thought was that parents were told originally kids were not susceptible. I am sure that is part of it, but I disagree it is the whole. I think parents are understandably nervous about the vaccine doe kids.
This was one comment. Is this accurate?……..
“As explained to me early in 2020, children have few(er) ACE receptors, which the alpha COVID strain needed to infect folks, thus kids were at less risk than adults. Then came delta, 1000x more infectious: low risk became high risk. The science changed.”
I must say I am NOT in favor of mass vaccinations for the 5-11 year old group. AND, I’m reluctant to go along with mandates to vaccinate the 12-17 year old group. I do understand parents’ concerns.
As always, there is a risk-benefit calculus. Children are susceptible to Covid-19 and can be impacted severely, though it is comparatively rare. At the same time, there do appear to be several known heart issues related to vaccines in children. These severe side effects are also quite rare. But still, one must weigh the risks and benefits.
Rather than vaccinate children en masse, I wish the nation would focus its efforts – redouble them – to get the adult (>18) population vaccinated and boosted where necessary. I just read a disheartening piece on the lackluster efforts of the Biden Administration to pursue a hands-on approach to promote vaccines in states with lots of hesitancy. Evidently, the Administration felt it would backfire. Well, maybe. But, you gotta try, work harder at it, go door to door as you said you would (and aren’t doing, apparently!).
AS long as this vaccine hesitancy persists, we are doomed.
In the Netherlands, the cabinet is meeting today to discuss reintroducing restrictions. These would include indoor mask mandates, distancing (1.5 meter rule), and crowd (capacity) limits in indoor spaces, including restaurants, bars, and concert venues.
The conservative-led Dutch government is doing so in response to a nationwide doubling of cases and hospitalizations in one week, which the health minister said was “much earlier than expected.” Hospital directors and healthcare provider organizations had been urging the government to act, as early as 10 days ago, when it was becoming clear that “too much ICU capacity is being taken up by Covid patients.” About 20% of ICU beds are currently occupied by Covid patients. This means delays in treatment for non Covid patients, lots of moving around of patients from one place to another, and excess burden on staff.
Similar measures are expected to be reintroduced – or simply added to existing rules – across much of Western Europe.
Parts of Eastern Europe are in strict lockdown. The situation there is much more critical.
It’s still unclear if and when the UK government will respond to the surge across most of Britain.
Here is a story about the chaos COVID is causing in schools in England. Half term is the two week school vacation at the end of October, and year groups are grades.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/22/english-schools-struggling-to-cope-as-covid-wreaks-havoc
If we are to live with COVID forever, should children have the opportunity to live in our world without being at risk of this illness?
And how does the risk of myocarditis or pericarditis compare with something we do without thinking – such as driving?
Hmmm
Lack of clear advice. Sounds familiar.
These are the numbers in school this year to date. The disclaimer is that they are the numbers reported to DESE. I know the numbers were lowered last year so perhaps this is a way for DESE to cover itself. There are around 2000 kids each week and around 300+ staff. These total over 11,000 students and 1,862 staff in six weeks. This of course doesn’t include those that these individuals infected.
Your question is very valid, but maybe a bit early?? Scary as it is, we are at the very beginning. Kids especially have only been at higher risk for a few months. The disruption in England was predictable. Just as it was overall when it came to full in-school. All anyone has to do was read my thousands of frustrated posts 🙂 🙂
The concern was remote’s impact on kids and also not disrupting their education. I honestly don’t think I need to say that both of those ships predictably sailed before leaving port.
Before we mandate anything for kids, we have to know what the risks are. We have no clue; nor, as other countries are doing, are we attempting to find out.
https://imgur.com/a/xmqsBFB
Joshua, are these big pharms working on COVID-19 vaccines that can last a lifetime or at least close to it like MMR, rubella, polio etc.?
We really can’t expect the entire population to keep getting boosters “every 6 months” for the rest of our lives. Those like Mrs. JPD have enough medical issues with basic two shots.
Great question. My guess is the nature of the disease is different and won’t allow for long duration shots. But, I’m really not qualified to answer.
Thank you for your post, Amy.
This graph shows how dramatically things have changed since I visited the UK 10 weeks ago. https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1452715493651988480/photo/1
C-19 for 10-26 is ready.