Joshua, in restaurants that are mostly take out with very limited seating, will customers need those vaccine passports?
What about McDonald’s, Wendy’s, BK, Subway, etc.?
Joshua, has it been proven that restaurants even transmit the virus so much that these passports are all that necessary?
Not Joshua and look forward to his response. There are so many restaurants that are closing because of covid in MA and throughout the country that I’d think it does spread in restaurants.
A lot of restaurants are closed to inside customers but not drive thru or takeout is because they don’t have enough staff as waiters/waitresses and/or staff to clean dining halls (like Burger Kings or other fast food)…and it’s a mix of staff sick/not enough staff.
I am sure that is accurate also. In this area they are very open about closing due to too many folks having covid. It is a double edged sword. There is a huge, new cumbies in a town not far from here that is closed. That was eerie to see.
I should have added that the same is true for businesses out this way.
Students and teachers literally have to bundle up in their classrooms because of a BPS mandate that windows be kept open at least 4 inches to reduce the risk of Covid transmission.
Average classroom temperature = 55F
THIS IS INSANE!!! imo.
Will proof of vaccination be required at outdoor venues like Fenway Park or Gillette?
What about cafeterias? cafés?
The term “restaurants” is somewhat confusing, at least to me. So many types.
Philip, I do not think that take-out and fast food restaurants will be subject to proof of vaccination requirement.
Yes, transmission can take place – and does take place – in any indoor space where people sit or stand next to one another for long (>15 minutes) periods of time.
I don’t know if outdoor venues will have the same proof of vaccination requirements. Doubtful, as transmission is unlikely outdoors.
All this said, with Omicron especially, being vaccinated doesn’t help much in terms of lowering transmission. [It does help lower severity of illness once you get it.] So, proof of vaccination is really not a guarantee that a person won’t spread the virus.
The most `optimal’ way to prevent transmission would be to do rapid tests before you enter an indoor venue, like I did last week at the Bar Mitzvah. They’re doing this in parts of Europe in public places like restaurants and night clubs, too. But, this is not something we’re going to see in the U.S.
Oops. Apologies. I was reading down and has not gotten this far
I agree re tests before entering. Do we have the tests. I know restaurants are concerned that the new mandates create more work and pressure for them. I do wish they would be reimbursed for hiring a person(s) to check folks as they arrive
I heard about one restaurant in which the owner is doing checking himself so as not to burden his staff.
I’ve been thinking about this…it doesn’t seem to matter if you’re sitting or standing in a restaurant (places that say so long as you’re seated, eating and drinking) you don’t need to wear a mask. You’re STILL BREATHING…it’s the air circulation system that needs work.
It reminds me of the “smoking sections” in restaurants…separated by an open doorway of varying sizes or open window frames with maybe a hanging piece of decorative glass (much like like the hanging plexiglass store are still sometimes using). I just don’t get how we thought that would work then, we laughed about it until Covid hit, now it’s considered a semi-feasible option…
I talked about this with my son in law a while ago. It was related more to schools but applies here. He is an HVAC Specialist and listed by major companies as highly recommended
He said replacing air quality systems won’t help at all. If two people are sitting across from each other, the systems are not close to good enough to remove the particles in order to protect them.
He Believes it might make the particles travel further and impact more people. It isn’t the same, but it is similar to the counter impact of the plexiglass panels we put up between people.
Thanks Joshua for your response regarding restaurants. I hope this doesn’t include college cafeterias.
I have a feeling there is still going to be confusion among owners and patrons as well.
Vicki, see my post above regarding BPS opening windows in classrooms regardless of outside temperatures. Do you know of any other districts doing this?
INSANE!!!
I did see it and it truly is insane. I meant to go back to it. Thank you for reminding me.
Next they will have the kids at picnic tables outside. Anything but what works.
You truly cannot fix stupid
I totally remember wearing my coat in class back in the 80s…and there was always that one jerk teacher who wouldn’t let us and we froze. At Umass Lowell mid 1990s, most of the windows didn’t open and/or painted shut.
Thanks TK.
Joshua, in restaurants that are mostly take out with very limited seating, will customers need those vaccine passports?
What about McDonald’s, Wendy’s, BK, Subway, etc.?
Joshua, has it been proven that restaurants even transmit the virus so much that these passports are all that necessary?
Not Joshua and look forward to his response. There are so many restaurants that are closing because of covid in MA and throughout the country that I’d think it does spread in restaurants.
A lot of restaurants are closed to inside customers but not drive thru or takeout is because they don’t have enough staff as waiters/waitresses and/or staff to clean dining halls (like Burger Kings or other fast food)…and it’s a mix of staff sick/not enough staff.
I am sure that is accurate also. In this area they are very open about closing due to too many folks having covid. It is a double edged sword. There is a huge, new cumbies in a town not far from here that is closed. That was eerie to see.
I should have added that the same is true for businesses out this way.
Students and teachers literally have to bundle up in their classrooms because of a BPS mandate that windows be kept open at least 4 inches to reduce the risk of Covid transmission.
Average classroom temperature = 55F
THIS IS INSANE!!! imo.
Will proof of vaccination be required at outdoor venues like Fenway Park or Gillette?
What about cafeterias? cafés?
The term “restaurants” is somewhat confusing, at least to me. So many types.
Philip, I do not think that take-out and fast food restaurants will be subject to proof of vaccination requirement.
Yes, transmission can take place – and does take place – in any indoor space where people sit or stand next to one another for long (>15 minutes) periods of time.
I don’t know if outdoor venues will have the same proof of vaccination requirements. Doubtful, as transmission is unlikely outdoors.
All this said, with Omicron especially, being vaccinated doesn’t help much in terms of lowering transmission. [It does help lower severity of illness once you get it.] So, proof of vaccination is really not a guarantee that a person won’t spread the virus.
The most `optimal’ way to prevent transmission would be to do rapid tests before you enter an indoor venue, like I did last week at the Bar Mitzvah. They’re doing this in parts of Europe in public places like restaurants and night clubs, too. But, this is not something we’re going to see in the U.S.
Oops. Apologies. I was reading down and has not gotten this far
I agree re tests before entering. Do we have the tests. I know restaurants are concerned that the new mandates create more work and pressure for them. I do wish they would be reimbursed for hiring a person(s) to check folks as they arrive
I heard about one restaurant in which the owner is doing checking himself so as not to burden his staff.
I’ve been thinking about this…it doesn’t seem to matter if you’re sitting or standing in a restaurant (places that say so long as you’re seated, eating and drinking) you don’t need to wear a mask. You’re STILL BREATHING…it’s the air circulation system that needs work.
It reminds me of the “smoking sections” in restaurants…separated by an open doorway of varying sizes or open window frames with maybe a hanging piece of decorative glass (much like like the hanging plexiglass store are still sometimes using). I just don’t get how we thought that would work then, we laughed about it until Covid hit, now it’s considered a semi-feasible option…
I talked about this with my son in law a while ago. It was related more to schools but applies here. He is an HVAC Specialist and listed by major companies as highly recommended
He said replacing air quality systems won’t help at all. If two people are sitting across from each other, the systems are not close to good enough to remove the particles in order to protect them.
He Believes it might make the particles travel further and impact more people. It isn’t the same, but it is similar to the counter impact of the plexiglass panels we put up between people.
Thanks Joshua for your response regarding restaurants. I hope this doesn’t include college cafeterias.
I have a feeling there is still going to be confusion among owners and patrons as well.
Vicki, see my post above regarding BPS opening windows in classrooms regardless of outside temperatures. Do you know of any other districts doing this?
INSANE!!!
I did see it and it truly is insane. I meant to go back to it. Thank you for reminding me.
Next they will have the kids at picnic tables outside. Anything but what works.
You truly cannot fix stupid
I totally remember wearing my coat in class back in the 80s…and there was always that one jerk teacher who wouldn’t let us and we froze. At Umass Lowell mid 1990s, most of the windows didn’t open and/or painted shut.
Yikes. What school district was that?
U.S. outlier status.
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