55 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – April 29 2020”

  1. I don’t blame Trump for the fact that the virus is here. But, I wish he and others in the administration would be more humble and realistic about the U.S. response to coronavirus. It hasn’t been good.

    The French president Macron admitted on TV in an address to the nation that his government failed to respond adequately and must learn from mistakes it made. Chancellor Merkel of Germany said something very similar. Heck, Boris Johnson has done the same. Not DJT, Pence, or anyone else in the administration. And that’s not good. You can’t learn from mistakes if you don’t admit them in the first place.

    It may be my biggest issue with Trump is that he can’t say “I’m sorry” or “I was wrong”
    or “we should have acted differently.”

    To put things in perspective. The U.S. population is ~4.2% of the world’s population. Yet, as of today it accounts for 33.2% of confirmed cases (>8X expected, based on population), and 27.2% of deaths (>6X expected). Both percentages are rising.

    1. More than fair comment. But then we knew this from the start. Roy Cohn taught Trump to make outrageous comments and when questioned about then to simply double down but never, ever, ever apologize or admit wrong doing. It is a very dangerous approach and unfortunately we are stuck with the worst of the worst during a crisis that is also the worst of the worst. For a while, I have looked at Merkel as the most superior world leader.

        1. To be fair, not 100%. While I am not a fan of Trump and liked a lot of what Obama did, I had some serious issues with Obama. I left this alone since no one else commented, but I am not a fan of someone standing alone either.

          Apparently, you can roll your eyes at yourself because I just did. And I won’t comment further since it doesn’t belong here. But would happily comment privately if asked 🙂 🙂

          1. Let me make it clear , I am not a trump backer….. But you need to think clearly (I’m not directing it to anyone ). You can’t be clouded on your biases. This situation has never happened.

  2. Thanks TK for continuing to keep the two posts open.

    There’s been mixed signals on this matter, but the official report from Gilead today confirms the drug remdesivir met its primary endpoints in their trial, proving to be an effective COVID-19 treatment especially when used early. To be clear, this drug is *not* a cure, however it is effective in treating the disease. Great news!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html

    1. This is very good news. Blocking viral replication helps people recover faster, limits lung damage, and yields improved morbidity and mortality indices. I’m very hopeful about this medication.

    1. An Island(s) nation. Keep people from stepping foot on either island and viola,
      you nip it in the bud. We did NOT do that. Not even close.

  3. VP Pence visited the Mayo Clinic yesterday sans mask even though he and his staff was instructed well in advance to wear one.

    1. He’s as BIG an IDIOT as his boss. What a JOKE! Clearly he and his associates
      do not take this seriously. That elbow greeting was POOOOOTHETIC!!!!

      Ya think I am pissed? DAMN right I AM!

      I am DISGUSTED at this administration’s response to this pandemic!!!!!!

    2. Indeed he clearly walked in there with his smug ass & was like you know who I am I don’t need a mask in a patient area after they told him the procedures in place . That was a big middle finger to America .

  4. A friend and colleague of mine (he’s a systems modeler) wrote:

    “The more people focus on stopping the outbreak the sooner they will get back to normal.

    The more people are focused on getting back to normal, the longer it will take to get there.”

    I agree with him.

    Vermont has done an excellent job. No longer reporting new cases. It can reopen with caution. Maine can do so soon as well. Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, and some others that are opening prematurely are doing so recklessly. They’re not ready. They’re reporting hundreds of new cases in each state, in several states nearly 1,000, AND these are states that have very low testing rates! Ultimately, reopening prematurely harms the economy more than waiting to ensure it’s the appropriate time to reopen (like Vermont). The reasons for this are: 1. Increased uncertainty in the states that prematurely reopen; 2. Stop – start – stop policies are much worse than a systematic stop policy followed by a restart.

    My two brothers are doctors, and very conservative folks (libertarian). Both voted for Trump in 2016 and will likely do so again this November. Not because they like Trump, but because they strongly disagree with Democrats and liberals. Nevertheless, they both emailed me yesterday to say that what Pence did was unconscionable. They also blamed hospital staff for allowing Pence to be in the hospital without a mask.

    1. I like your comments and agree. A lot of folks automatically assume that there is only one way or the other way with political viewpoints. This is not the case of course.

      As a middle of the road guy I can tell you that I have friends on the far right who very much dislike the current president and will be voting for his opponent (yup, it’s actually true). I also have a few liberal friends, while they are no fans of DT, like a few of the things he’s done, but I suspect they will not be voting for him in the election. I will pass no judgement on any of these folks, because I don’t paint people any way because they support or dislike any politician. That’s the way I roll. Anyway thank you for your contributions here. 🙂

    2. Very interesting and wow do I agree with your quote. I have heard Mayo blamed as well. I do not blame Mayo for allowing Pence into the hospital. I seriously doubt they had a choice. It wears on me to have others blamed – in any instance and not just here – for the actions of a person or deed that is horrifically wrong.

  5. Our governor here in NJ must be listening to me… Parks and golf courses given permission to reopen! Not that they’ll be of much use these next couple days, but glad I’ll be able to go for my usual outside runs again soon. As I said a few days ago, this is the right move. Reopen the outdoors (not that many people were following outdoor restrictions anyways) and keep the higher risk indoor activities closed awhile longer. This should not be political… NJ is as deep blue as MA is. This is just common sense.

    1. Of course, this requires some responsibility. Vulnerable populations may be less apt to enjoy these freedoms, and those who regularly interact or live with such populations should be especially cognizant of obeying social distancing guidelines. But on the whole, it’s pretty easy to social distance in a park or on the golf course.

      1. The interesting thing is a lot of areas that are off limits could technically be on limits if people would just simply practice the safety that we were told to practice. The few that cannot ruined it for many others.

        Let’s just hope this is all done the best possible way it can.

        1. And that is my very very long standing argument in favor of regulations. It would be impossible to count the times I have said – backed with examples – that too many people do not have the ability to regulate themselves. They are also in many cases the ones who complain loudly about regulations.

  6. Just a reminder…

    This section of the blog is certainly open to people’s feelings, for or against whatever, agree or disagree with whatever or whomever. Please remember, that like criticism of anybody in or out of the public eye, to choose words wisely. We have a wide audience reading the blog on a daily basis, including members of senior centers and children that are home schooling. I’ve been in touch with a lot of teacher and folks that work at such centers mainly because of my photography recently, and a fair number of them are also followers of WHW, so while expressing opinions is very much encouraged, we have to remember to treat each other with respect and choose our words wisely. I will use a weather analogy as an example.

    TK watches Meteorologist Modelle Von Ripnread’s forecast on channel zero and thinks their analysis of the upcoming weather pattern is way off, and takes to WHW to express his opinion on it…

    Wrong way: “Ripnread obviously ripped and read the CMC because that model sucks almost as much as he does! He’s a flipping dipwad!”

    Right way: “I strongly disagree with Ripnread’s take on the upcoming weather pattern. I think it’s going to be x, y, and z, p, d, and q.”

    This reminder targets no particular people here on the blog, but is meant as a general reminder to all. I want you all to get the most out of this blog and right now this extra page as you possibly can. Regardless of where we stand on all of the issues, we are all in this together and I don’t think any of us want to see anyone else become unhealthy or compromised in any way. I certainly know I don’t want anything bad to happen to any of you.

    And now I’m back from another day on the “semi front lines” at my day job, and after a nice clean-up it’s time to enjoy a little outside air before the weather goes downhill yet again! Cheers!

    1. Very very fair comment and I will work on making sure I comply. Thank you for giving us this extra blog. It is not only a way to share information but in many ways I find it is comforting/reassuring.

    2. I will try to do better and adhere to your guidelines. I do believe I have
      crossed the line a few times here on this page. Not so much on the weather page.

    1. I sincerely HOPE that this is the reason why we are seeing some positive test results following recovery. Thanks for sharing

  7. I was in Brookline running some errands today and will likely do the same again tomorrow as long as any rain will be minimal. Brookline has an order in place for masks to be worn in public for everyone over age 5. Just walking around it appears that the vast majority are wearing them in one form or the other. The lone exceptions were joggers. Since this pandemic I have seen two joggers with masks (one today in Brookline and one recently in Boston). The rest, na-da. How is it they get away sans masks? I have yet to hear any criticism from local officials or the general public for that matter.

    1. Macs cousin and friend of mine for decades is in Brookline. She walks daily and said folks take it quite seriously. I don’t get the runners though.

  8. Good afternoon everyone. I work for a funeral home down here in RI. It’s so sad for the families we serve, only five at a time inside the funeral home and five people graveside. My heart goes out to these people we serve. The families are so understanding at the worst times in there lives.

    1. Your work is very important, Robert. Thank you for what you do. And, what you describe is indeed tragic. I find this aspect of the pandemic truly heartbreaking.

      Your state, however, has done very well. One of the highest testing rates in the nation. Proactive government intervention. Reopening before many other states, albeit gradually.

      In Israel, hospital policies have been adjusted to allow loved ones to say goodbye to dying Covid-19 patients.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/world/middleeast/israel-hospitals-relatives-dying.html

    2. Robert. I can’t begin to imagine. How very difficult for families. But also for you. You will be in my prayers because I am sure this takes a very emotional toll on you.

  9. Just for the record, Antarctica is the lone continent on earth not to be invaded by Covid-19.

    March with the penguins! 🙂

  10. TK, I’ll also do my best to steer clear of political opinion. I certainly don’t want this discussion on Covid-19 or the mainstay of this blog – weather – to be political. Please note, I respect all opinions on this matter. I sincerely try to keep an open mind.

      1. Thanks, JP Dave.

        Good news is ICU numbers are down a bit. Also, hospitalization percentage is now 6%. Was 7% and 8% last week. Bad news is still a large number of new cases and a high positivity rate.

        1. Yes, but as you say, the new cases are up. However,
          more tests were conducted:

          New Tests
          Reported Today
          11,118

          1. Positivity rate of nearly 18%. Better than a couple of weeks ago. But still nowhere near where it needs to be. This is why Walsh is so adamant. I get it. Boston and metro Boston are major hotspots. 254 dead in one day is an astounding number for a small state.

          2. Taking a quick peek at the nation’s numbers today was enough to make me very depressed. Really bad. Headed well above 25k in new cases, perhaps even as high as 30k. Deaths again well above 2,000 by the end of the day. Could someone please tell me why the University of Washington model is being trusted, clung to, by so many. It’s a bad model. Full stop. Really bad. 10 days ago, 60k was the projected total death toll. A 7th grader could have told them that was wrong. 5 days ago that changed to 70k. Also way off. Yesterday it said the total death toll would be 74k. Does anyone really believe that nonsense? Seriously, if I was that bad at modeling at Tufts University I would have been canned. All I can say to the modelers is go back to the drawing board, it’s obvious your model parameters and assumptions are invalid. Garbage in, garbage out. Same applies in meteorology.

  11. We’re 7 weeks into the pandemic and people on the radio (talk shows) are still saying it’s just old people who die, or people with underlying health conditions. Regarding the latter, the majority of Americans over 50 have one or more of the typical underlying health conditions cited (I know I do; it’s likely many of you do, too): Diabetes, chronic hypertension, obesity, severe asthma, autoimmune disorders, and (previous) cancer. So, the “underlying health conditions” clause used by those who downplay the virus is a red herring.

    On age, while the average age of deceased Covid-19 patients in the U.S. is 81 this means that there’s a significant percentage of people under 81 who have died.

    Another statistic bandied about is 80% of people who have died were over 65. Okay, that also implies that 20% were younger than 65. And, an even larger percentage who’ve died were between 65 and 81. I don’t know about you, but I don’t consider someone who’s 66, 71, or 74 to be ready to die. They’re not. Covid-19 is robbing the nation and world of millions of life years.

    Notably, we know about the hundreds of healthcare workers – practically all under 65 – who have died. At least 96 NYC MTA employees – practically all under 65 – have passed away from COVID-19. 31 NYPD officers – all under 65 – have died. I can go on and on. Tens of thousands of people between 50 and 81 have died.

    1. I know I’ve had 2 “underlying health issues” since age 26 (autoimmune disorder) and 30 (mitral valve prolapse / a-flutter / a-fib).

      I still have people arguing with me about “just keeping the sick people home” (apparently so the very significant percentage of people who never know they are / were carrying C-19 can be out and about potentially infecting countless people). The ignorance has been alarming, as has been the amount of people I have observed that do indeed think money is more important than my mom’s final years of life.

      If we work together to mitigate the spread, we can also work together to recover the monetary hardship. I say this being aware that other issues are going to be present as well. That is a sad fact, but why would we want to add to that by taking an action that surely would increase the amount of people acquiring a virus that could, and in some cases will, kill?

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