23 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – December 29 2020”
According to the MA Restaurant Association, approximately 25% of MA restaurants have closed their doors for good and the state has lost nearly 37% of all small businesses.
Sad. On a brighter note, the restaurant business will make a comeback. But, it will take two things: 1. Real and sustained support from the state and federal governments; 2. A vaccination program that doesn’t operate at a snail’s pace. More on this below.
Since the FDA’s first emergency use authorization issued on Dec 11th, less than 2 million doses of vaccine have been administered. At this rate, it will take about 18 years to vaccinate the US population.
We need to vaccinate at a pace of 2,000,000 per day.
The Trump Administration certainly supported the vaccine development effort, but did little if anything to establish clear and standardized protocols for states and locales to follow regarding administration of doses.
“The Kaiser Family Foundation survey found that nearly three-quarters of Americans would definitely or probably get a COVID-19 vaccine. This includes 41% who would definitely get a vaccine and 30% who will probably get a vaccine.” Usnews.com
So the math should bear out that herd immunity of vaccinated might not be even minimal help (it should never have been a major or the only plan). Plus I’m sure more businesses and schools will be requiring a vaccine to work/attend. Plus, even if you’re immunized, it’s not a cure. It’s more virulent and deadly than flu…the only difference will be that if you get Covid it’s really best if you quarantine…flu even in hard years (excluding 1918) isn’t something people stay home with unless they really feel terrible. And we already have seen places like movie theatres, though open and unlike restaurants, are in dire straits because people are gun shy and will be for some time to come. I think we are going to be mask wearing for at least one more year, and that’s IF best case scenarios happen.
Deep sighhhh. I’m afraid you may be right. I am not convinced the wording on the surveys was clear. However, if I were first round, I may well choose to wait. Trump had far too many of his people involved. And yes I know this is an international vaccine.
Your comment about not staying home with flu is accurate. It speaks volumes. Enough die of flu that I have absolutely no respect for anyone who doesn’t stay home. Many still believe covid is no more than flu which explains a lot. Without a National approach, we were doomed to fail. And we are
Agree Krista , nice post
Yup & more businesses will close this year unfortunately but it’s going to happen . I suspect restaurants & gyms & small mom & pop type businesses. Ok
I spoke with a cousin on Christmas Day who is a healthcare worker in Richmond VA and she told me that she received her first dose of the vaccine earlier this month and is scheduled for the second dose on January 11. She has no symptoms and had no pain at the time of injection.
And the irony of it all, she has yet to be able to get tested even though she works in a hospital. Go figure.
Macs brothers oldest was also vaccinated.
The 18 year estimate is based on a mathematical model that projects the time it will take to suppress the virus with vaccination to varying degrees and to eradicate. Eradication would take 18 years at the slow rate of vaccination we’re presently doing. It would take between 4 and 9 years to suppress the virus so that there is no more excess mortality from Covid-19. So, to avoid continued excess mortality we’ve got to pick up the pace no matter what.
Prioritization of vaccine allocation is off at this point in time. I have 4 siblings who are doctors. 3 of them are married to doctors. Only 1 has gotten a vaccine – 1st dose – and she’s is least at risk. The most at risk will have to wait 10 days for their 1st dose. The others haven’t even gotten invitations for their 1st dose. Incompetence.
How is the distribution going in other countries? If it’s considerably better then we should use that model, whatever it is.
Perhaps we should simply have the vaccine available to whomever wants it rather then on a “priority” basis? First come, first serve. That’s the way it is for the testing process (long lines and all) such as it is. I have yet to hear of any shortages that I am aware of.
It will take 90% compliance from the public to rid ourselves of the virus. That will probably be a challenge in and of itself. The previous 60-70% won’t do it according to Dr. Fauci and others.
Philip, so far Israel and the UK have been the most efficient at vaccine distribution. Not surprising, given that they are single payer systems. Everyone’s health records is in one system. Almost all doctors are part of one system. There are no pharmacy networks, as all pharmacies – privately owned – are connected to the NHS system, as are virtually all hospitals. This greatly simplifies any immunization or health campaign. There are aspects of single payer I’m not a fan of, but for public health (especially preventive care) it’s superior to a multi-payer and therefore inherently fragmented system.
That other strain has popped up in Colorado
Less deadly but more contagious.
Still something I don’t want to get . I’m still out of work Philip how’s the area where we work busy or quiet
Area continues to be very quiet overall since the pandemic began.
Single payer. Can you just imagine
Philip I can’t agree on first come first served. Greed os rampant in this country. Far too many are absolutely incapable of thinking of anyone other than themselves
President Elect Biden vows 1,000,000 shots per day.
80% of Americans live within 5 miles of a pharmacy that will have the vaccine available.
According to the MA Restaurant Association, approximately 25% of MA restaurants have closed their doors for good and the state has lost nearly 37% of all small businesses.
Sad. On a brighter note, the restaurant business will make a comeback. But, it will take two things: 1. Real and sustained support from the state and federal governments; 2. A vaccination program that doesn’t operate at a snail’s pace. More on this below.
Since the FDA’s first emergency use authorization issued on Dec 11th, less than 2 million doses of vaccine have been administered. At this rate, it will take about 18 years to vaccinate the US population.
We need to vaccinate at a pace of 2,000,000 per day.
The Trump Administration certainly supported the vaccine development effort, but did little if anything to establish clear and standardized protocols for states and locales to follow regarding administration of doses.
“The Kaiser Family Foundation survey found that nearly three-quarters of Americans would definitely or probably get a COVID-19 vaccine. This includes 41% who would definitely get a vaccine and 30% who will probably get a vaccine.” Usnews.com
So the math should bear out that herd immunity of vaccinated might not be even minimal help (it should never have been a major or the only plan). Plus I’m sure more businesses and schools will be requiring a vaccine to work/attend. Plus, even if you’re immunized, it’s not a cure. It’s more virulent and deadly than flu…the only difference will be that if you get Covid it’s really best if you quarantine…flu even in hard years (excluding 1918) isn’t something people stay home with unless they really feel terrible. And we already have seen places like movie theatres, though open and unlike restaurants, are in dire straits because people are gun shy and will be for some time to come. I think we are going to be mask wearing for at least one more year, and that’s IF best case scenarios happen.
Deep sighhhh. I’m afraid you may be right. I am not convinced the wording on the surveys was clear. However, if I were first round, I may well choose to wait. Trump had far too many of his people involved. And yes I know this is an international vaccine.
Your comment about not staying home with flu is accurate. It speaks volumes. Enough die of flu that I have absolutely no respect for anyone who doesn’t stay home. Many still believe covid is no more than flu which explains a lot. Without a National approach, we were doomed to fail. And we are
Agree Krista , nice post
Yup & more businesses will close this year unfortunately but it’s going to happen . I suspect restaurants & gyms & small mom & pop type businesses. Ok
I spoke with a cousin on Christmas Day who is a healthcare worker in Richmond VA and she told me that she received her first dose of the vaccine earlier this month and is scheduled for the second dose on January 11. She has no symptoms and had no pain at the time of injection.
And the irony of it all, she has yet to be able to get tested even though she works in a hospital. Go figure.
Macs brothers oldest was also vaccinated.
The 18 year estimate is based on a mathematical model that projects the time it will take to suppress the virus with vaccination to varying degrees and to eradicate. Eradication would take 18 years at the slow rate of vaccination we’re presently doing. It would take between 4 and 9 years to suppress the virus so that there is no more excess mortality from Covid-19. So, to avoid continued excess mortality we’ve got to pick up the pace no matter what.
Prioritization of vaccine allocation is off at this point in time. I have 4 siblings who are doctors. 3 of them are married to doctors. Only 1 has gotten a vaccine – 1st dose – and she’s is least at risk. The most at risk will have to wait 10 days for their 1st dose. The others haven’t even gotten invitations for their 1st dose. Incompetence.
How is the distribution going in other countries? If it’s considerably better then we should use that model, whatever it is.
Perhaps we should simply have the vaccine available to whomever wants it rather then on a “priority” basis? First come, first serve. That’s the way it is for the testing process (long lines and all) such as it is. I have yet to hear of any shortages that I am aware of.
It will take 90% compliance from the public to rid ourselves of the virus. That will probably be a challenge in and of itself. The previous 60-70% won’t do it according to Dr. Fauci and others.
Philip, so far Israel and the UK have been the most efficient at vaccine distribution. Not surprising, given that they are single payer systems. Everyone’s health records is in one system. Almost all doctors are part of one system. There are no pharmacy networks, as all pharmacies – privately owned – are connected to the NHS system, as are virtually all hospitals. This greatly simplifies any immunization or health campaign. There are aspects of single payer I’m not a fan of, but for public health (especially preventive care) it’s superior to a multi-payer and therefore inherently fragmented system.
That other strain has popped up in Colorado
Less deadly but more contagious.
Still something I don’t want to get . I’m still out of work Philip how’s the area where we work busy or quiet
Area continues to be very quiet overall since the pandemic began.
Single payer. Can you just imagine
Philip I can’t agree on first come first served. Greed os rampant in this country. Far too many are absolutely incapable of thinking of anyone other than themselves
President Elect Biden vows 1,000,000 shots per day.
80% of Americans live within 5 miles of a pharmacy that will have the vaccine available.
The Onion might go out of business because they can’t compete with real news articles like this:
https://www.vox.com/2020/12/29/22205031/florida-covid-vaccine-camp-out-lee-county-ron-desanis-estero
Dear heavens….what have we become.
C-19 for 12-30 is ready.