No surprise were seeing members of the Tampa Bay Lightning and Philadelphia Phillies test positive for COVID19 with the cases on the rise in Florida.
Tweet from Scott Wheeler
Just today:
– Five positive tests with the Tampa Bay Lightning
– Eight positive tests with the Philadelphia Phillies
The sports world decided to play with fire. This is going to increasingly be the result.
I just hope that the NFL can play without being in bubbles like Dr. Fauci suggests.
How? Not in a bubble would be impossible unless players do what baseball does and sign waivers essentially shirking their right to health away.
Being a huge football fan I hope there will be an NFL season. IF and big IF that second wave comes in the fall I don’t see how a football season could happen.
Let me rip that bandaid off right now – there won’t be a 2020 NFL season. Oh they might start and have a few games… but unless a vaccine comes out in the next three months – it’s a no go.
I admit to not following what sports is doing My head has enough to wrap around. But anyone signing a waiver is a fool. Seriously. How can management or fans expect this. Just my opinion
I believe there will be an NFL season. I also think hockey can resume as well as basketball. Baseball can happen, too, but the two sides have to agree on conditions.
These are professional athletes. So long as they adhere to strict rules and are fined or suspended without pay if they violate said rules, they will be okay.
The Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, and the Premier League in England, are all functioning fairly well. No fans, obviously. Repeated testing, contacting tracing, and 14-day isolation for those who test positive. Notably, no bubbles. This said, the public ordinances in Germany, Spain, and the UK, are much, much stricter than the ones in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and many other Southern states regarding physical distancing and crowd capacity in bars, restaurants, and other public venues. So, players will have limited (less) opportunity than their American counterparts to be in situations conducive to spread.
If we don’t have sports, we can certainly blame it on our lack of a sufficient response to the coronavirus. An earlier, stricter, and more consistent lockdown could have helped. Also, better testing early on, contact tracing, and isolation of positive cases. Consistent messaging from the top would have helped, too. It’s shameful that our numbers are still as bad as they are.
The only positives I can glean from the numbers this week: 1. Average age of positive cases is younger. 2. Correspondingly, we’re seeing a declining death rate. This said, there are still a lot of daily deaths, hospitalizations, and of course new cases that we’re dealing with. Even if a new case turns out asymptomatic or mild (most of the younger folks will be in that category) there are substantial burdens and costs to the healthcare system and our economy.
New cases are headed for 30k or higher today. While the death rate is declining, still the greater the number cases the more death. In fact, at the pace the country is on the growth rate in cases may offset the decline in death rate. This is why significantly increasing numbers of new cases matter.
I should have been clearer: The growth rate in cases may offset the decline in death rate to ultimately result in a growing number of daily deaths within a week to 10 days.
I just don’t think we can expect sports figures to put their lives on the line for us.
Alas, I think you’re right. The virus has now spread among baseball, hockey, and football players, who are mostly training in … hotspot states. I think tonight’s developments and the fact that a major surge in cases is underway have effectively ended any hope of resuming professional sports in the near future.
Given this week’s developments and the explosive growth in cases – we’re well over 31k today and not even done with reporting! – it is unconscionable that a rally will be held in Tulsa tomorrow. The fact that the Oklahoma Supreme Court did not grant an injunction borders on criminal, in my view. Government’s first job is to protect its citizens from harm. When government fails at doing so despite ample warning then courts must step in. It’s really simple. Hold an outdoor rally with proper protocol, not an indoor rally without proper protocol.
Where is the like button when I need one. Or the sad button
It’s actually worse than what I wrote. I mis-read it. It wasn’t an injunction. It was simply a request that social distancing be enforced at the rally. So, allow the rally to go ahead, but enforce social distancing. The Oklahoma Supreme Court denied that simple request! That’s pathological.
I have no words
I feel bad for anyone attending Coronapalooza
I think something we have to remember here is that athletes would likely be in a good enough physical condition and age to potentially fight off the virus (currently. Assuming the second wave doesn’t act like the spanish flu. But I don’t want to digress too much.) But that isn’t even my primary concern or even the concern of those in any head office. It would be more the optics if others involved with the organization get sick and/or die – or family members of those involved.
Sports overseas have indeed continued but I think this image I saw a week ago encapsulates why they are able to do as such: https://imgur.com/a/RPPxzSu
It’s a sobering comparison of graphs that hits home just how poorly we are handling this. It’s the summer. The curve should be seeing a sharp decline. The curve in the US saw a sharp decline in 1918 during the summer starting in mid-July but there I go again mentioning the Spanish Flu. Instead we are seeing places become hot beds because too many people aren’t believing that this is a thing.
If I was a gambling man here is the chance (out of 100) that I could see different sports have a full season:
Football: 10%, Baseball: 20%, Basketball (playoffs): 15%, Hockey (Playoffs): 5%.
Why is baseball higher than football? Because they still have a chance to hammer something out, players aren’t in high contact. You could even play with masks on as there’s only short bursts of heavy breathing so a mask wouldn’t be too much of a pain. Football is a lot more physical with players on top of each other the entire game. Wearing a mask is implausible because they need the freedom to breathe. They need to be able to huddle. Also if anything goes awry with any of the others sports should they actually go on –
That will put pressure to cancel the season.
Basketball – smaller teams, but can’t mask up. But also has the stigma of a major player getting it that essentially shuttered all sports.
Hockey has the issue of 7 teams not even from the united states. Going to be a hard sell.
Obviously there are proposals… no fans, centralized arenas in a bubble, testing, etc – I could see all of these sports attempt to go ahead but the amount that could go wrong… high margin for error.
I think you are right about age and ability to fight the disease. My son approached it the same way. And I think and pray he is one of the lucky ones. But I’m also hearing that even with younger and healthier folks, there can be long lasting symptoms.
That said….I so agree with the spread from the ones who might be able to weather it but pass to friends and family who cannot.
Overall…I look at the numbers of the “greatest country on earth” compared to countries we see as less than we are. They are chilling. And there is no defense ….no excuse. It sits at the feet of the man who feels so far above all else that he is willing to risk his base, our constitution and anything else that gets in his way of self as a trade for a few hours or adoration
C-19 for 6-20 is up…
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No surprise were seeing members of the Tampa Bay Lightning and Philadelphia Phillies test positive for COVID19 with the cases on the rise in Florida.
Tweet from Scott Wheeler
Just today:
– Five positive tests with the Tampa Bay Lightning
– Eight positive tests with the Philadelphia Phillies
The sports world decided to play with fire. This is going to increasingly be the result.
I just hope that the NFL can play without being in bubbles like Dr. Fauci suggests.
How? Not in a bubble would be impossible unless players do what baseball does and sign waivers essentially shirking their right to health away.
Being a huge football fan I hope there will be an NFL season. IF and big IF that second wave comes in the fall I don’t see how a football season could happen.
Let me rip that bandaid off right now – there won’t be a 2020 NFL season. Oh they might start and have a few games… but unless a vaccine comes out in the next three months – it’s a no go.
I admit to not following what sports is doing My head has enough to wrap around. But anyone signing a waiver is a fool. Seriously. How can management or fans expect this. Just my opinion
I believe there will be an NFL season. I also think hockey can resume as well as basketball. Baseball can happen, too, but the two sides have to agree on conditions.
These are professional athletes. So long as they adhere to strict rules and are fined or suspended without pay if they violate said rules, they will be okay.
The Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, and the Premier League in England, are all functioning fairly well. No fans, obviously. Repeated testing, contacting tracing, and 14-day isolation for those who test positive. Notably, no bubbles. This said, the public ordinances in Germany, Spain, and the UK, are much, much stricter than the ones in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and many other Southern states regarding physical distancing and crowd capacity in bars, restaurants, and other public venues. So, players will have limited (less) opportunity than their American counterparts to be in situations conducive to spread.
If we don’t have sports, we can certainly blame it on our lack of a sufficient response to the coronavirus. An earlier, stricter, and more consistent lockdown could have helped. Also, better testing early on, contact tracing, and isolation of positive cases. Consistent messaging from the top would have helped, too. It’s shameful that our numbers are still as bad as they are.
The only positives I can glean from the numbers this week: 1. Average age of positive cases is younger. 2. Correspondingly, we’re seeing a declining death rate. This said, there are still a lot of daily deaths, hospitalizations, and of course new cases that we’re dealing with. Even if a new case turns out asymptomatic or mild (most of the younger folks will be in that category) there are substantial burdens and costs to the healthcare system and our economy.
Sobering thought on likelihood first vaccines won’t be great (hint; it’s something I’ve mentioned in several of my WHW posts): https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-first-covid-vaccines-may-not-prevent-covid-infection/ar-BB15tVS8?ocid=st
New cases are headed for 30k or higher today. While the death rate is declining, still the greater the number cases the more death. In fact, at the pace the country is on the growth rate in cases may offset the decline in death rate. This is why significantly increasing numbers of new cases matter.
I should have been clearer: The growth rate in cases may offset the decline in death rate to ultimately result in a growing number of daily deaths within a week to 10 days.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/06/19/nick-watney-tests-positive-for-covid-19-at-rbc-heritage/amp/
I just don’t think we can expect sports figures to put their lives on the line for us.
Alas, I think you’re right. The virus has now spread among baseball, hockey, and football players, who are mostly training in … hotspot states. I think tonight’s developments and the fact that a major surge in cases is underway have effectively ended any hope of resuming professional sports in the near future.
Given this week’s developments and the explosive growth in cases – we’re well over 31k today and not even done with reporting! – it is unconscionable that a rally will be held in Tulsa tomorrow. The fact that the Oklahoma Supreme Court did not grant an injunction borders on criminal, in my view. Government’s first job is to protect its citizens from harm. When government fails at doing so despite ample warning then courts must step in. It’s really simple. Hold an outdoor rally with proper protocol, not an indoor rally without proper protocol.
Where is the like button when I need one. Or the sad button
It’s actually worse than what I wrote. I mis-read it. It wasn’t an injunction. It was simply a request that social distancing be enforced at the rally. So, allow the rally to go ahead, but enforce social distancing. The Oklahoma Supreme Court denied that simple request! That’s pathological.
I have no words
I feel bad for anyone attending Coronapalooza
I think something we have to remember here is that athletes would likely be in a good enough physical condition and age to potentially fight off the virus (currently. Assuming the second wave doesn’t act like the spanish flu. But I don’t want to digress too much.) But that isn’t even my primary concern or even the concern of those in any head office. It would be more the optics if others involved with the organization get sick and/or die – or family members of those involved.
Sports overseas have indeed continued but I think this image I saw a week ago encapsulates why they are able to do as such: https://imgur.com/a/RPPxzSu
It’s a sobering comparison of graphs that hits home just how poorly we are handling this. It’s the summer. The curve should be seeing a sharp decline. The curve in the US saw a sharp decline in 1918 during the summer starting in mid-July but there I go again mentioning the Spanish Flu. Instead we are seeing places become hot beds because too many people aren’t believing that this is a thing.
If I was a gambling man here is the chance (out of 100) that I could see different sports have a full season:
Football: 10%, Baseball: 20%, Basketball (playoffs): 15%, Hockey (Playoffs): 5%.
Why is baseball higher than football? Because they still have a chance to hammer something out, players aren’t in high contact. You could even play with masks on as there’s only short bursts of heavy breathing so a mask wouldn’t be too much of a pain. Football is a lot more physical with players on top of each other the entire game. Wearing a mask is implausible because they need the freedom to breathe. They need to be able to huddle. Also if anything goes awry with any of the others sports should they actually go on –
That will put pressure to cancel the season.
Basketball – smaller teams, but can’t mask up. But also has the stigma of a major player getting it that essentially shuttered all sports.
Hockey has the issue of 7 teams not even from the united states. Going to be a hard sell.
Obviously there are proposals… no fans, centralized arenas in a bubble, testing, etc – I could see all of these sports attempt to go ahead but the amount that could go wrong… high margin for error.
I think you are right about age and ability to fight the disease. My son approached it the same way. And I think and pray he is one of the lucky ones. But I’m also hearing that even with younger and healthier folks, there can be long lasting symptoms.
That said….I so agree with the spread from the ones who might be able to weather it but pass to friends and family who cannot.
Overall…I look at the numbers of the “greatest country on earth” compared to countries we see as less than we are. They are chilling. And there is no defense ….no excuse. It sits at the feet of the man who feels so far above all else that he is willing to risk his base, our constitution and anything else that gets in his way of self as a trade for a few hours or adoration
C-19 for 6-20 is up…