16 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – October 24 2021”

  1. AY.33 – another `child’ of the parent Delta variant (B.1.617.2) – is appearing in South America (and elsewhere) and has test-evasive properties. This means a person tests negative when in fact the person has coronavirus.

    1. Nice. This gets uglier by the moment.

      Just what we need. Another devious way the virus will spread.
      Is there no end to this?

  2. I was chatting with Mac’s cousin last night. She lives overlooking Puget sound and is fascinated by weather. In addition to their weather events of late, we talked about covid. I was shocked when she said MA had not done a good job with covid. I think of MA as having a top vaccine rate. She then said we were just below Arizona for deaths. Darned if she isn’t right what did we do wrong?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

    1. Adding that masks mandates for anything indoors and all outdoor events over 500. Proof of vaccination is required for anything indoors and also outdoors for over 500. Not sure why 500 but they are doing something right. That begs the question….why aren’t we doing this? Population of our states is similar.

  3. Two things:

    1. Test-evasive does NOT imply vaccine-evasive. So far, there are no indications that any of the AY. sub-lineages are any more vaccine-evasive than the `parent’ Delta variant (B.1.617.2).

    2. Great news from Japan. Among practically all industrialized, democratic nations Japan has done so well. I commend the country. It’s no wonder Japan has such high life expectancy, given its excellent public health and overall healthcare system and a strong societal feeling of solidarity. https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1452308678430924812

  4. Vicki, Washington State was the first state to have a major outbreak and it did quite well in combating it. I’m talking about late February and early March 2020. Governor Inslee is a soft-spoken man. But, doesn’t have to be too humble about his state’s response. The toughest time to respond was early on: High degree of uncertainty, almost no testing, no vaccines, and no cooperation from the federal government (Trump’s worst moments in office, in my opinion).

    Massachusetts and New York were also hit hard early (had most travel from China and Europe), as were NJ, CT, and RI. The very high death rates in these states were due to a combination of factors, one of which was gross incompetence. I think Cuomo was the worst of the bunch. He sent infected people back into nursing homes and other facilities where a very large number of fatalities occurred. But, since the spring of 2020 the Northeast has done okay. Not great, but it weathered the surges better than others. For example, there was no surge in the summer of 2020 in the Northeast. There was a winter surge, but it paled in comparison to what occurred in Texas and California, among other states. The Northeast was also largely spared the Alpha wave in the spring of 2021. On the other hand, Michigan got hit very hard. And, though the Delta wave impacted/is impacting the Northeast, it wasn’t close to the damage done across the South, Southwest, Northern Plains, Alaska, Idaho, and even a few Midwestern states.

    Right-wing commentators are quick to point to the fact that case rates in Florida are now below several states in the Northeast. Well, yes, that is after the surge ripped through the state of Florida killing many thousands. Furthermore, the numbers of deaths (also in relative terms) caused by the Delta wave is FAR lower here than it was/is in Florida and other heavily impacted states. There was/is no excuse for this. In my view, DeSantis, Abbott, and others have `blood’ on their hands. They could have prevented tens of thousands of deaths, but refused to. This is what makes the Delta wave so tragic. Over 90% of the deaths in this wave were preventable. Yet, Governors, acting on the false premise that vaccine mandates are somehow “unconstitutional,” decided that “freedom” (to get sick, pass on the virus, and possibly die) would trump public health. At the same time, Abbott and others instituted unconstitutional bans on abortions. Why? Because they say they’re “pro-life.” Yeah, right.

    1. I do recall WA from the start. I’m digesting this a paragraph at a time. Some great info ..thank you. If we were not as hard hit as others, why is our death rate so high? Is it due entirely to folks arriving at our ports? Seems it would create some but not to the point we are at. It seems overall that Inslee’s approach was and is much better than bakers.

      The numbers sure took me by surprise

      1. Death rate in MA is high mostly due to being hit hardest early on. We got a double whammy of virus coming in from China and Europe, just like New York. It hit the nursing homes very hard. Almost 45% of deaths in the first few months were in nursing homes and assisted living facilities. Granted, MA and NY could have protected them better, which WA did do.

        Also, I don’t want to minimize our current death rate, which is still pretty high. We’re still losing ~15-20 people a day. But, the rate is not even close to Florida’s rate during the last few months. Here, I’m of course about deaths per millions; a relative term.

        Why a much lower death rate now than before? Vaccines and a high vaccination rate, especially among the at-risk.

        Why is the death rate so high in Florida and other Southern states, as well as Alaska, Idaho, and Montana? Much lower vaccination rates.

        We shouldn’t minimize the deaths we’re experiencing in MA, NY, NJ, and elsewhere in highly vaccinated states. We’re essentially experiencing what the UK is experiencing. And that may get worse before it gets better, as the waning of immunity from vaccines comes into play, and as more unvaccinated people become infected over the winter months.

        Weather-wise this week is going to produce a shift in lifestyle across the Northern tier of the country that will facilitate transmission. Not just people migrating indoors, also much less ventilation in indoor spaces.

  5. If someone could enlighten me as to why it’s okay for DeSantis not to wear (to refuse) a mask in a colleague’s office when asked to. The colleague has breast cancer. https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1452343213369479168

    Folks, this is why I call it b.s. when DeSantis and others claim to be pro-lifers. They’re not. Plain and simple. They’re not even Republicans, in my view. They’re the RINOs, ironically. I’ve known MANY Republicans throughout my life. Among others, many of my parents’ friends were Republican. My parents were quite conservative. The folks I knew/know are decent people who would not refuse to wear a mask when asked to when it’s reasonable to do so. If anything, the Republicans I’ve known were/are family values folks, who respected others, who showed/show decency, who treat the protection of life (ALL life, not just of the unborn) as sacred.

    1. DeSantis is the scum of the earth. Too harsh? Well darn…I can get worse

      I detest the term RINO and absolutely love the way you turned it around. The ultra right use it because they have no clue what a true republic stood and still stands for. They, as you have said, are RINOs. I think everyone here knows I was part of the Republican Party pretty much from birth. When older I believed in its message…..until it started moving right

      You know what the party was terrified of? It was terrified that one day John Birch Society (based in Belmont at that time) would infiltrate it. The GOP knew what would happen if it did. The tea party is JBS’s grandchild. Enough said??

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