21 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – November 8 2020”

  1. I heard on the news this morning that Trump will eventually concede, but only after ALL legal challenges are exhausted.

    1. I can’t help thinking about Joshuas comment last night about the senate and house being on the SAME ballot as president. There may be a run off in GA. NC has a close race. So if trump has ballots invalidated, how does that impact the balance of congress. Domino effect can be very real….not that trump ever thinks of country first.

  2. Across the Atlantic, Europe’s hospital crunch has grown more dire.

    New data for 21 nations shows that there are more Covid-19 patients now than in the spring’s worst days, threatening to overwhelm stretched hospitals and exhausted medical workers. More than twice as many people in Europe are hospitalized with Covid-19 as in the U.S., adjusted for population.

    By one count — from the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control — total cases in Europe have reached over 11.8 million.

    1. Should add that Europe is not a monolith; just as the U.S. isn’t. Some countries are doing well, including Ireland and Finland, and to a lesser extent Germany, Denmark, and Norway. Also, it appears the Netherlands peaked. It has turned the corner.

      France, Italy, Belgium, and Spain are experiencing the worst of the second wave. Numbers of hospitalizations are VERY high across these 4 countries. In quite a number of regions catastrophically high, where patients must be transported hundreds of kilometers away because there is no hospital capacity for them. Deaths are very high across these 4 countries as well.

  3. The midsection of America is also experiencing the worst of Covid-19 at the moment. Yet in many places, including Indiana (supposedly a strongly pro-life state), people just do not care. I watched the end of the Notre Dame football game, which was in South Bend, with the stands packed with spectators. Then at the end of the game they all stormed the field. Sure, many wore masks. But, masks are NOT at all foolproof. In fact, they are much less efficacious than distancing. Do I worry about the college kids getting sick and dying? No. Not really, though it’s not risk-less for them. What I am very concerned about is that in 2 weeks or so it’s Thanksgiving week, and you can be sure that some of these students will pass on the virus to their parents and grandparents. The nation is losing more than 1,000/day as the 7-day moving average increases. Yet, we’re treating it way too lightly in places like Indiana. I cannot understand Notre Dame allowing this to happen.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/ncaa-mens-football/article/no-4-notre-dame-sacks-no-1-clemson-overtime/

    1. I find it interesting that a number of colleges and even some NFL teams have been able to have spectators and yet the Patriots, Boston College and UMass do not. Yesterday UMass played at Marshall with spectators in the stands. I don’t get it.

    2. I just remembered Joshua. Indiana is where VP Pence was the former governor of that state if I recall. A typical “red” state. I bet the only reason the kids in the stands wore masks at all, was due to NCAA rules.

      1. I may be sensing a pattern here regarding spectators at NFL and college football games.

        Red states = spectators welcome (limited capacity)
        Blue states = no spectators allowed

        I bet it is no coincidence. Joshua?

        1. You’re mostly correct. But, keep in mind there are Republican governors like Baker, Hogan, and Scott who are not allowing spectators at these sporting events. Granted, these are GOP governors in blue states.

  4. Besides the passing of Alex Trebek (so sad), the most troubling news this morning is something I’ve been following very closely: Many of the `new’ infections in Europe are impacting people who had Covid-19 last spring. While there have been some documented cases of reinfection in the U.S. there have only been a few. This suggests to me two things: 1. Herd immunity is problematic, as having had the infection doesn’t necessarily prevent one from becoming infected again; 2. The virus currently impacting Europe may be (slightly) modified, allowing for many more of these reinfections.

    The Great Barrington Declaration – a defense of herd immunity, put together by several top epidemiologists – completely sidesteps this issue.

    1. Does this mean that Covid-19 is now undergoing mutation? I’ve been afraid of that happening at some point.

  5. Not to sound like a rabid Trump supporter, but I’m beginning to wonder now if wearing masks is even coming close to paying off with this virus getting more rampant every week it seems.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, now that most mornings start off chilly, my glasses immediately steam up while masked. I already use de-fogger spray which doesn’t do any good whatsoever.

    Any suggestions?

    1. Masks have been oversold a bit. It’s masks AND physical distancing AND gathering size limits AND hygiene. I believe the most important is physical distancing. In fact, you can have fairly large gatherings, but keep distance between yourself and others. I’ve never found that hard to do. In fact, I really don’t like being in the middle of a packed crowd at all. But I guess I’m not a typical person. I think most people love crowds for some reason, and love to be packed together like sardines.

      1. I agree on all counts. Masks are not the only ingredient, but part of the solution. People are not always great at social distancing no matter now hard they try. The Natural tendency Is to drift closer. And then there are tons of situations where it is impossible to distance. I do believe Joshuas Vermont is a perfect example. Even in sparsely populated Morrisville, Macs cousin said everyone wears a mask. Any exceptions are pretty much called out but she has seen very few without

        1. Indeed. Mac’s cousin’s experience is similar to my sister, who lives in Vermont. She’s a doctor at the VA, so she’s accustomed to wearing masks more than most people. But, she says everyone complies, also with distancing in stores and even outdoors when there are events.

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